===[ Слово в защиту явления! ]===

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#original-date: 24.08.2016 Wed
#original-time: 6:26 PM
#original-day:  5873
#original-host: WinXP Prof SP3 (Build 2600)

В предыдущем посте я упомянула поиск статьи про огромные 
канализации, где явление критикуется во введении, а потом 
перечисляются произведения с такой тропой. Вот эта статья:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AbsurdlySpaciousSewer

Но, к счастью, я нашла ещё и слово в защиту явления! Там кратко 
описывается эволюция канализаций, чем канализационная труба 
отличается от канализации, и почему большие тоннели – не такая уж 
и нереалистичная вещь.

Не могу не процитировать!

> *Analysis / Absurdly Spacious Sewer*
> 
> Note that old cities of the classical era (like Rome and Athens) 
> may have something approaching this, as the ancient Greeks, 
> Romans, the Minoans of Crete, the Chinese, and Mayans all had the 
> technology and know-how necessary for pipes and plumbing, built 
> canal systems and aqueducts, and in some cases invented the water 
> toilet, remains of which can still be seen today.
> 
> But many preindustrial "sewers" were essentially just very large 
> holes in the ground meant to store, not transport, sewage, until 
> the city contracted someone to break in and clean it out. 
> In medieval European cities after the Dark Ages, the concept of 
> "sewer" was reduced to a simple trench in the middle of the 
> street; any waste would be thrown into the street, where rainwater 
> would (eventually) wash it away. If the population were extremely 
> lucky. And now you know why it's called The Dung Ages
> (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDungAges). 
> The pre-Victorian London sewers, for instance, started out as 
> rivers and creeks flowing into the Thames, which were later 
> covered over as they became clogged with sewage washing in from 
> the streets and draining from nearby cesspits. The old tunnels
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subterranean_rivers_of_London) still 
> exist and generally contain clean-ish river water now that 
> the filth had been diverted to a more modern sewer system.
> 
> However, many ancient cities were built over the ruins of previous 
> cities and had some tunnels beneath them. A few also had 
> catacombs. Modern cities have storm drainage systems, some 
> of which meet all the qualifications for this trope, although they 
> aren't actually sewers, since their purpose is to drain rainwater 
> and/or snowmelt from the city into the nearest body of water. For 
> game purposes, these can be treated like Absurdly Spacious Sewers.
> 
> This trope is ultimately innaccurate. Even modern sewers can have 
> impressively spacious and large tunnels and pathways. Many are 
> to allow high volumes of material and easier maintenance access.
> 
> Plenty of old sewers are also fairly spacious for the same reason.
> 
> There is a large variety of sewers, sewer lines, and general 
> sewage handling.
> 
> It should be noted there is a difference between a sewer and 
> a sewer pipe. The pipes are what tend to be small.
> 
> As for creatures living in them. It happens more then a few 
> animals are hardy enough to survive in the sewer.
> 
> A simple image search shows sewers ranging from small to massive 
> cavernous underground structures across the world.
> 
> ~Tuefel Hunden IV 
> (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Tropers/TuefelHundenIV)

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Analysis/AbsurdlySpaciousSewer

По ссылке на «Дерьмовые времена» есть картинка с подписью «Those 
were shitty times» ^^ Кстати, там же:

> This trope is more or less becoming an Undead Horse Trope due 
> to history research. In reality, the Middle Ages were rather 
> cleanly era; the Roman bathing culture survived well to the 15th 
> century and public saunas were commonplace everywhere in Europe. 
> On human excretion, urine was a valuable commodity on tanning 
> and dyeing, and manure was widely used as fertilizer. In the Real 
> Life, the actual Dung Ages were the Renaissance and the New Age 
> following it: the spread of syphilis and the earliest signs 
> of climate change effectively killed the sauna culture everywhere 
> in Europe except Scandinavia, mountaineous areas and Russia, and 
> effectively putting end to any hygiene. Europe recovered only with 
> the spread of the modern sanitation in the 19th century.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheDungAges

Про Россию история известная, но я как-то не связывала ренессанс 
с говнами OO